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Jan-24-17

The 24 Elders Of Revelation

posted by PrayerWarrior

I have heard even people I trust immensely with the word of God seem to come to a conclusion that these 24 elders are redeemed human beings. However, the word of God clears this up when you put all of the talking points about these and who and what they are together. So many ignore the fact that the beasts are heavenly beings and yet they are singing right along side of those elders, the same song as the elders, that they have been redeemed but the four living creatures are clearly not humans and never have been. This to me is wrong in so many ways on so many levels.

The beasts are not redeemed from the earth by the lamb and have indeed been there for a long time as we saw that Ezekiel saw them when he had visions. The creatures also sing with the 24 elders the same song as the elders!
Ezekiel 1:5 Within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form.
Ezekiel 1:18 As for their rims they were lofty and awesome, and the rims of all four of them were full of eyes round about.
Ezekiel 1:22 Now over the heads of the living beings there was something like an expanse, like the awesome gleam of crystal, spread out over their heads.
Ezekiel 10:12 Their whole body, their backs, their hands, their wings and the wheels were full of eyes all around, the wheels belonging to all four of them.

Daniel saw these also. But he describes thrones in heaven Daniel 7:9. Something else I noticed, which people seem to forget as they place their own meaning and or interpretation upon the word, that not only are redeemed humans in white but so are angels and spirits, and so is Jesus in White. So white clothing or raiment cannot be construed as saying that those in white are only the redeemed!

Revelation 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones, I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. 8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!”

In Isaiah 6: 2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one cried to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; The whole earth is full of His glory!”

So since these have been doing this forever crying out how Holy the Lord our God is and these thrones Daniel saw were already there before the NT and no one went to heaven before the Lord ascended back to where He came from, this to me is partial proof that these 24 elders are not human and never have been. I have more proof as well, so hang in there with me!

Now the 24 elders we can see in 1 Chronicles 24:1-19 everything David was shown about what the temple on earth should look like, was all a perfect copy of what is in heaven and has been since before time began. The 24 thrones the 24 elders here on earth, all replica’s of what heaven has. God is no respecter of men, so it makes sense there is no human being honored in heaven above any other no matter how much they did for God and in the Lord.

These 24 elders do not get redeemed as we can see in Revelation 19 they are still there and not invited to the weddings feast of the lamb. Something else you need to notice is this, the wedding feast of the lamb has finally come and this is right after the Lamb/the lion of the tribe of Judah, The Lord our God in the form of Jesus, is finally pouring out the wrath of God.

Look with me. Revelation 19:1-5 After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.” 3 Again they said, “Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!”

4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying, “Amen! Alleluia!” 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying, “Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!”
Why aren’t these supposedly redeemed 24 elders shouting with us but instead are giving their own worship and praise to the Lord? Because this is what they have done since Heaven was made, and that is what they will do for eternity.

But let’s go back to Revelation 4 and Revelation 5 and check it out a little better.

4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones, I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: 11 “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.”

Let’s keep going. Revelation 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.”

While it is these beings the 24 elders saying or singing this so are the four creatures or beasts. Those beasts have been seen by all the prophets who have seen into heaven in the past. They seem to be tied together irrevocably. Those beats have been screaming out how Holy The Lord is and when they do the 24 elders fall down and worship every time.

Now look at this set of verses and let’s see if I can’t show what the Lord made abundantly clear to me. Rev 19:6-8
6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

The 24 elders in heaven on their 24 thrones already have their white fine linen you mean to tell me they have already been rewarded, when the time of the reward of the saints is being shown here after Christ has destroyed the enemies of God? Judgment day is the last day, it is the {DAY} of the Lord which according to Zechariah 14:7 is one day only!

We will be taken up out of the way into the skies, nowhere does it ever say we are up in heaven celebrating while some of the Lord’s bride are still here being tortured maimed and killed for their witness of the Lord. Which that makes no sense if there is supposedly no Holy Spirit to convict the hearts of mankind and there is no Christians to teach the truth of the word of God, which no one can do in their own strength anyway. So pre-tribulation believers (false believers) have no understanding and show repeatedly they do not understand the word of God.

Revelation 11:16-18 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: “We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. 18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Now read that again because I am sure you missed it, as I had done many times before the Lord showed me this particular part of the prophecy. It is time to judge the dead and reward your saints. The elders are saying this to the Lord. How is it that the 24 elders are there at all if the saints have not been rewarded yet, and the dead have not been resurrected and judged yet?

We know from 1 Thessalonians 4 13-18 that the dead are resurrected first and the saints who are left alive in the blink of an eye, are changed into perfect immortal incorruptible human beings. So in light of those scriptures that makes no sense, that these elders are dead men who have already been rewarded as we know God never does anything in separation between one human being to another. God is no respecter of men period.

In Rev 19 the 24 elders are not singing with the throngs of humans who have just been resurrected/redeemed off the earth, they have their own praise and worship they are doing. They are not with the redeemed they are still right there with God and the 4 living creatures. God does not author confusion and when one want’s to find out the truth for themselves, we do not go to men but directly to the one who is Yes and Amen, we go to the author of Life the very word who put on flesh, Jesus Christ!

I ask men and they all have a different answer, and cannot explain satisfactorily enough how and why they arrived at their notions. So I go to the Father instead. I will pray and fast until I get the answer as well of course, as studying the word of God to get the truth. God does not let anyone down not ever. When we stand before Him there will be no excuses of why we did not for ourselves, know the word of God. We have the bible everywhere and at the ready! Yet there are many who just refuse to learn the word for themselves and that is such a pity.

The truth is out there for all of us to know and learn and live in faith and learn to grow in Him. We just have to seek His face for the answers! Pray and plead for your answers then go seeking them from the word of God. Look for the verses that carry the information you are seeking and then study those verses in their proper context and you will find all the answers right there in the word. I don’t even expect people to take my word for it, I expect everyone to go and seek for themselves, the truth.

May-7-15

Knowing Yourself

posted by PrayerWarrior

So I have been accused lately of hating, for speaking truth. That is pretty normal, people do not like hearing the truth. Also told I am judgmental, which I am not I only speak the bible out and do not sit here telling anyone their this that or the other thing.
I have been accused of thinking myself perfect. That I have an issue with! I know myself and constantly beat myself up because I am so far removed from perfect.

I cry out to God on a constant basis, because i know my own heart well enough to know, that i need to be humbled constantly. I must always know who and what i am in order to be humble and contrite before the Lord.

This life is not about me and it is not about you. It is all about bringing God honor and glory. This life is not about comfort, most often it is about pain, and fears being overcome by depending on and trusting the Lord, and learning to walk in complete trust and obedience to the Lord.

It is about storing treasures in heaven, and becoming who we were meant to be, to be able to spend eternity in the presence of God, where our rewards that we earned in this life, will be given to us.

We go through so many promised trials and troubles and tribulations, to learn patience and to learn how to trust God and obey Him. Not hearing His voice in your ears, but having Him speak directly to your heart.

Packages of information are uploaded to your heart, directly from the heart of the father through the Holy Spirit! This is why we must be baptized or immersed in the Holy Spirit. To try and live the true Christians life without the Holy Spirit, is to not be walking in the will and ways of the Lord!

Religion is not where it is at! Going to church 3 times a week, no more makes you a Christian, than parking your car in a garage makes it a car! A spirit of religion is an awful spirit to have and it needs to be rebuked away, because that makes one a very judgmental person.

Demons are coming against us through many loved ones even, so much so that i know many relationships that are broken and splintered apart. i know many people whose marriages have fallen apart and budding relationships have ended.

Satan and his minions the evil spirits all around us who are multiplying every day, are busy destroying every kind of relationship out there and it is so sad because people refuse to see and or understand that is exactly what is going on. Forewarned is forearmed.

Next time you are lashing out or are being lashed out on, think of these things. If it is not of God, then it is from the enemies camp, and you need not give that any power!
There is only Godly good and satanic evil, there is no such thing as anything in the middle!

Oct-26-13

A Thorn In The Flesh

posted by PrayerWarrior

What was Pauls Thorn in the flesh? Well I can tell you even as a child I knew a thorn in ones side was not physical. It was speaking in metaphors. I heard it most often from women saying oh that daughter, or oh that son, that one there is a real thorn in my side. They were not speaking of anything physical their children were doing to them. They were speaking of the troubles that particular child put them through. Worries and fears for their child was what they were speaking of.

Paul was not married and had no children so let’s look at bible verses in other books of the word to find out just what a thorn in the side or the flesh was speaking about elsewhere. We know the Lord is always the same and the Holy Spirit gave utterance to all those who wrote the word. So in that vien let us continue on knowing the Lord does not change now or ever. What He has said and done before He will always say and do again. I can promise you this subject is one of the harder ones to study, there are simply not enough people who know about the bible verses that speak of thorns in the flesh, old or new testament.

Smith Wigglesworth himself said many times over, to people who claimed to have a thorn in their flesh, like Pauls, Oh so your so holy and so filled with the power of the Lord that you need something to keep you from being prideful? Oh how I had to chuckle at that. The man was renouned for the ability to reach the hardest hearts for the Lord. He was known for the amazing healing sermons. May I suggest to any who have some serious pain, and or made up ailment that was introduced in the last twenty or so years, go read the complete works of Smith Wigglesworth? The Lord would have you healed of this!

First let’s look at Pauls account of his thorn in the flesh, which he clearly says is spiritual. 2 Cor 12:7-9 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Now do not be fooled by the word infirmities, You can be mentally infirm, and spiritually infirm.

You can have a buffet that is spiritual which causes you much problems by reminding you of past sins, ad nauseum. I have had this on a few occassions and I just keep rebuking, or binding the mouth of the spirit. Satan loves to remind us of our past, keeping us there is a good thing in the mind of a demon, because living in the past does not afford a good look at the present. The Lord wants us living in the present. A good way to get rid of thoughts of the past is to do what Paul says in Phil 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Now then let’s take a look at Old Testament verses containing a thorn in the flesh. Well in this case a thorn in the eyes. Joshua 23:13 “Know for a certainty that the Lord your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you”. Well lookie here this means bothersome anoying problematic. This is not physical maladies, But that they would cause them all kinds of troubles. Read the verses before and after to get the understanding of what the Lord was saying here.

Let’s go on then, in Numbers 33:55 “But if you will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which you let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein you dwell”. Vex means = To annoy, as with petty importunities; to bother. So can you see this was something that bothered Paul vexed him annoyed him. I cannot personally imagine or consider even the possibility that the Lord would have a vessel of healing and all manner of spiritual gifts to be plagued by an illness himself. No Paul was not blind nor did he have a limp or any such thing.

Paul would merely hold a napkin and it be brought to ones bedside and they were instantly healed. Now that is amazingly awesome. People would work to stand in the Apostles (all of them) shadows, and receive healing. To decide your like paul and have to suffer that it is the Lord’s will for you friends is a sad miscalculation. God does not will for His own to suffer but to believe unto healing. Sadly for way too many years it has been taught that the gifts were not present in this life. They are here! It is not even the one who is doing the praying over you whose faith has to be huge, but your own faith will heal you.

Let’s take a look at some of what Jesus Himself said to those whose healing was done due to their own faith. Matt 9:20-22 Matt 9:27-30, according to your faith be it unto you, Mark 5:25-34. Before this in Mark 2:3-5 these friends faith was enough for Jesus to bring a miracle about for the man with the Palsy. I am not writing out all these verses I am told i write entirely too long articles for my site. LOL. I have a lot to say when I write, and I love and live for the word of GOD. Mark 10:52 a blind man heard Jesus was there and was yelling out for His attention. The people told him to quiet down but he yelled all the louder, the Lord restored his site and told him your faith has made you whole.

Matt 15:28 He told the woman her faith had healed her daughter!! Luke 17:19 Your faith has made you whole go thy way. Then in His own home town of Nazareth, Jesus could do no miracles but some petty small oes because they did not believe. They had no faith for healing. Let’s look at that story for a moment. Mark 6:4-6, 4 But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.” 5 Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teaching.
No miraculous things for they had no faith.

Now back to the message at hand. The thorn in Pauls flesh. In Judges 2:3 “Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.” See again troublesome, bothersome, annoying but not physical. Let’s look at the word buffet and it’s meaning. To buffet means to strike against repeatedly or to batter, the example best used is the waves buffeted the rocks. We know when one is in the ocean near a rocky outcropping and they are trying to get out of the water the waves crashing into the rocks, and pulling back away, makes it nearly impossible to get out. It would hamper you from achieving your goal of getting out of the water. This spirit that was sent from satan to buffet Paul, was not physical.

One mans report on this says that it was the people the Jews and the gentiles alike, was the problem. I am not sure I agree with that. I think Paul was made of much sterner stuff than that. I know personally with my own son coming against me in every way possible, I have been strengthened by the Lord to guard my heart against the pain of my sons hatred. People who are not my family who come against me, simply do not hold that kind of power to hurt me. I am not after mans approval neither was Paul. Now this is only my opinion and not at all a defining statement, I think Pauls thorn had to do with his past. I can see nothing else that would cause him to ask the Lord to be released from it other than some past sin that the spirits have brought back again and again to the forefront of the mans thoughts.

Now I am not claiming to be wonderful or anything like that, in what I will say next because I know I am nothing at all without the Lord. That all said i have one sin that comes back at me again and again and again. It makes me shake my head and wince every time it comes back to my thoughts. I have begged god over and over to help me get past it, and still it comes again and again. Even though I know I am forgiven it still bites me every so often.

What I do know is what I have prayed many times to the Lord. Lord help me to be humble. Do not allow me to get prideful. I do wonder, if this is the way in which the Lord keeps me from getting all prideful. Don’t get me wrong Ihave pride LOL but my pride is in being used of the Lord. I know I am a tool in His hand, and this gives me pride that He would think to use me. That is the only place I have any kind of pride or also that He shows me truth and no human nor angel can change my mind from what the Lord has shown me! I choose very carefully whom I listen to. I will have to stand before the Lord and explain myself one day. I will have to explain why I believed or did not believe truth or lies.

In weakness we find out how very strong God is and that truly His grace is sufficient to see us through anything we have to go through. I love that saying (no it is not in the bible) if God brought you to it He will bring you through it. It is so true if we but believe. We can do nothing on our but Christ do it through us. It is no longer I who lives but Christ who lives in me! I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. These verses come to mind every time I think on that saying.

Blessings in Christ Jesus!
Tammy


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