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Jul-9-08

Comparing Jesus word’s, Paul’s and Revelation.

posted by PrayerWarrior

In Matthew 24 Jesus is telling his apostles just what the world can expect when it is near the time for him to come back.
In 1st and 2nd Thessalonians as well as in Corinthians Paul is telling us of Jesus coming back as well.
Then in Revelation we can see and compare what Jesus said what Paul said and what John was shown, and see that it all fit’s together.

for instance in Matthew 24:3 the apostles come to Jesus and ask:
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Now look at Rev 6
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Rev6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6: And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The News tells us we have 22% of the world so far on the very edge or verge of famine, the bible says 25% of the world will die from famine, and pestilence that comes from famines,and with the beasts of the earth.
7: And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8: And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Now I don’t know about you but sounds like the same exact thing being spoken of here.

Matthew 24 continues
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

So far America is still exercizing her freedom’s,but surely anyone who has eyes and ears can see and hear, that is slowly changing. I wonder how long before our government or the people of it decide to really go full fledged against Christians. We as Christians know we are to love one another,no matter how much we don’t like what others are doing it is not our place to put anyone down or call them names. And for the most part we do not do that, but we sure are being accused of it. Then we have these people in right field saying they represent Christians when they are nothing like Christians I know of, who go and picket soldiers funerals and tell the funeral goers their loved one died because God is angry about this war. That’s just so wrong and very sickening.

Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
These verses tell of the hatred of men against us the body of Christ,even our own brothers and sisters may turn against us. Just look at the anger of those who want with all their hearts to believe that Jesus will come before tribulation. But Jesus says further on in Matthew 24 that he will come with power and great Glory in the clouds with the shout from the arch angel and at the sound of the trumpet,Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days. There is a little paid attention to thing, that is said in Revelation,The tribulation is satan or antichrist who is satans own, making war with the saints,God’s wrath is God’s anger for the war made against his saints.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. So here we see God’s wrath is coming,and before it was the nations anger which was tribulation. There is a clear distinction here between the nations and Gods wrath.

Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

These two verses are also found in 2nd Thess 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.(Why are we being told to endure till the end unless we have something we will be enduring?)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Why must we understand if we will not be here?for the abomination of desolation. But we will be here this I see in Revelation.                                                                                                                                                                          16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake>>>> (Who are the elect?) those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Again who are the Elect? Arent we that very elect Jesus is speaking of here?
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.<<< does not this verse speak of the world seeing and knowing Jesus is coming?
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29>>>>> Immediately After The Tribulation<<<<< of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This verse here is no doubt speaking of the rapture,Jesus is not touching down but he is sending out his angels to gather his Elect from the four corners of the winds. The four corners being  North, South, East, and West. I know of no other time that Jesus will gather anyone together, other than at the rapture. We know there is no such thing as two raptures. I want you all to pay attention to the order of what Jesus has said here. If we are already gone before the tribulation then why does he say IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS?

1st Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Also in 1st Thessalonians4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Heres¬† what Revelation says about this same thing. Now I know that all the pretribbers say it has to be pretrib rapture due to the fact that the church is not mentioned in Rev after chapter 3 but it does mention the saints. Now read¬† in Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; why if we are there already does it say this just now? and he shall reign for ever and ever. Now Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.The elders say the nations were angry and Now God’s WRATH comes. This is important thats why it is here twice.
Chapter 14 in Revelation has this to say,12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Now read on with me here,and see where the rapture takes place let’s remember the 7th Trumpet has sounded,Rev 14:13-16 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. 14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice(could this be a shout?) to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. What brothers and sisters in Christ,is Christ reaping what is this harvest that is ripe if not we the saints,we the body of Christ? He sits on a white cloud number one,the angel shouts reap for the earth is ripe,does it not say, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory? Where else in Revelation do you see the son of man sitting on a cloud and reaping we are the great harvest that he is reaping.Why does it say here is the patience of the saints? What saints are being patient?
I tell you the apostacy is going to be the many many many who believe that it is a pretribulation rapture,there is plenty of turning away from truth now a days but there is much much more to come, they will turn away from the Lord, believing they were not supposed to endure anything. Thus making the way clear for the antichrist to be revealed. In 2nd Thess 2:3 it says Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;verses 6 and 7 say  6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. Not removed but taken out of the way. If a tree is in the road blocking it we don’t remove the tree we what? Take it out of the way.

The world will see Christ coming on the clouds with great glory and they will mourn because many will have turned away believing the Lie that  God allowed them to believe. The great delusion they believe because they have heaped false teachings unto themselves,tickling their itching ears with what they want to hear,and that being that we will suffer nothing. That we will be removed before any tribulation. But Paul clearly says we are not due his wrath,that being different from tribulations imposed on us by antichrist.1st Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
5:13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any [man]; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

I have been called every name in the book including evil for testifying about this,So I put in the last 7 verses to show those who would think that prewrath or mid trib believers are evil, or not saved would know that we are to be patient with one another and always loving one another and comforting one another. It is no mere mans job to know the hearts of men and or women as the case may be. I know I am saved, and no I am not a gloom and doomer as some would call me. I am simply and plainly prepared for whatever I will have to face,knowing full well I will not turn away for one moment ,from God or ever lose my first Love. I prayed hard very hard over many days and weeks for the Lord to show me truth that I may never fall away or turn my back,and he revealed this to me over and over again putting weeks of study into this and hours of reading over and over again all the different verses in all the varying books of the New Testament that mention this. Comparing Jesus words with those of his apostles.As well as some very good Messianic Jews teachings,and a few other prewrath believers showing me unarguable truths in the word.

Matthew continues
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even  at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. HMMMMMM these generations shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled,well then I am sure that what Jesus has had to say here is exactly what he meant.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. So nobody knows the day or the hour. It does not say no one will know Jesus has come and gathered his elect,it simply says you do not know the day or the hour when he will come.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of man cometh. When will he come? When we are all thinking to ourselves he has forgotten us oh dear, he has forsaken us,then will he come.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Noah was busy working he was the only one that was working he and his family in preparation for the coming destruction of the earth. We are admonished to keep working for our Lord cometh when we least expect him. Noah did not know himself what day or hour the flood was coming just that it was coming,we are the same we do not know the day or hour until the Lord’s angel shouts and the last trump is sounded.The Lord told Noah get in the ark and the Lord himself shut that door as soon as Noah and his family were in the ark, and then unleashed the flood. Noah tried to warn people for 100 years or a little less. It took him that long to build the ark,no one wanted to listen they called him a doom and gloomer too and all kinds of things. I am not the only one who believes it is a mid trib or pre wrath rapture, there are many who believe this. It is estimated that 90% of Messianic Jews believe in mid trib or post trib rapture. I see the reaping of the earth by Jesus in Revelation 14 and that’s where I believe we are raptured out of here and go get to rest from our tribulation.

I do not wish to suffer, nor do I wish to be harmed, nor do I wish to see any one in my family be hurt or threatened, but if this is what I must do, then I will do my best to love those who harm me and I will do my very best to praise the Lord in the midst of my trials and or tribulations. I will be found loving my Lord still no matter what happens to me and or my family. I will also run and try to hide with my family when I see that there is major persecution of Christians going on. As with all things when they begin, we can see persecutions here in the United States has begun,slowly and mildly at first but it will, as all things do speed up and be more frequent and more punishing as the people of the world cry out. We are not of this world therefore they will hate us. We will be shining the light on their darkness, and as was with Christ, they will wish us dead for shining that Light. As has been pointed out the love of MANY will wax cold in the end times.

In Other news Tuesday July 1st there were reports of animals attacking like crazy in the Northwest and also in Alaska. Bears have been attacking people right out in the open. Racoon have been coming out in the day time and foraging anywhere and everywhere and being quite bold about it as well. Crows or black birds have been attacking sheep and goats and even cows and killing them. The people who have found the carcasses have actually, some of them had to seek psychiatric help in dealing with what theyhave seen. Hmmmmm fourth seal at the ready to be opened?

I know the treaty with many has not been signed yet,which brings me to another point, The treaty to be signed with antichrist does not say for Isreal it says with many. I know mister Medvedev of Russia is wanting to sign a treaty with many countries. Maybe someone to keep our eye on? In reading about his life it reads almost exactly like the book by famous Pretribulationists Tim Lahaye and¬† Jerry B Jenkins, called The Rising. I have read all of their books,fascinating stuff to be sure. I even believed it was to be pretribulation rapture until just a few months ago. As I said earlier I prayed and prayed daily for hours on end asking God many questions to which he revealed to me all the answers I was seeking. Imagine my surprise to find I had been believing wrongly? I was at first nudged just barely by my husband ,I would ask him questions and he shared his thoughts with me, and said Babe if no man can answer your questions about pre trib, then seek the only answers that matter, God’s. So that is what I did.
I am no prophetess, I am just a woman who has saught and been bought by the Lord. I gave my life to him and live my life for him. I belong to him Mind Body and Soul. If you do not agree with me on this point that is fine. Just do not go thinking you know my heart, or that I cannot possibley be saved, I am definately saved I know the day, date, hour, and minute I handed my life over to the Lord and repented on my face.

Have any Christians out there ever read where Jesus or any apostle said we would not suffer for our witness of Christ? Matthew 10:17-20,Luke 21:12-19, these verses tell of suffering that¬† must be endured, For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye¬† have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Romans 8:15-18. Real Christians have received the Spirit of adoption into the family of God. They are privileged to call God Abba, which is an endearment like “Daddy.” Those who are truly God’s children know that because they are heirs with God and joint heirs with Jesus, they will suffer with him that they may be glorified together with him. But they also know the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
I do not know when or how todays Christians got the notion that we Christians of today are better than Jesus own apostles, and we are not due any persecution. Through out the entire bible and I do mean through out from begining to end, there has been persecution of Gods witnesses and prophets. I do believe the future will be a time of unprecedented opportunity for Gods elect to show their mettle to the world. Especially those who persecute us. When they see that we cannot no matter how they hurt us, torture us, or throw us away like garbage, we will not turn our backs on God, and will love them even through all our horrible circumstances and praise God in the middle of it all, How many will change their minds and come to the Lord? Satan has disgusting plans he has been busy planning for us since the begining of time. He has had many years to plan his attack on God’s people,he was busy behind the scenes way back in Jesus time as well. Our persecution and suffering, at that time, can be seen as an indicator of our faithfulness, especially when we intentionally live strong faith while the world looks on.

Do you know your repentance date? If not then please say this little prayer and mean it with all your heart and soul. Ask God to show you your sins through his eyes that you may know true repentance. Ask him to come into your heart and tell him you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior.Know that nothing you do for works will or can save you. It is not works that makes you born again it is by Grace that you are saved. A free gift waiting to be accepted by you. Ask for forgiveness of your sins.Tell God you know that Jesus is the sovereign king, was born and crucified and raised from the dead the third day, that you may live forever more. Ask for the Holy spirit to give you your spiritual eyes and ears and be amazed as was I, when I finally was given those very spiritual eyes and ears. Your life will change in an instant. You will be brand new from that moment on.Know that the victory over death has been won by Christ for YOU!!! Please let me know if you have accepted Christ in a comment or in my forum. I would love nothing more than to pray for your continued growth in Christ.
Love to all in Christ Jesus, Prayer Warrior/ Tammy

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